General Description
The purpose of this series is to give competitors an opportunity to compete in motorsport at a low entry cost and in an enjoyable variety of vehicles. The intention is for competitors to use vehicles that are comparable in performance within their category and as close to factory original as is practically and safely possible.
The intention is that driving ability will be key focus rather than preparation and modification of vehicles. The rules below set out the spirit of the regulations and if a competitor is in any doubt about the legitimacy of their entry the organisers may be contacted to confirm.
Aim: Budget racing of standard road cars, warranted and registered, minimal modifications allowed. Maximum value$2000.
Budget Entry: ~$230 Per Car, per meeting. This fee covers entry, practice, track time, paddock pass, & first aid (if required).
2KCUP Committee: James Watson, Richard Gee, Chris Watson & Tony Roberts.
Organiser: Melissa Morgan
1: RULES – GENERAL
1.0: WARNING: Racing is exceedingly taxing, both physically and mentally. When driving a racecar, you’ll be exposed to extreme (both high and low) temperatures; to dense smoke and fumes; to intense shocks and vibration; to very loud noises; and to a variety of other unusual, exhausting, confusing, and stressful conditions.
1.1: Organiser Decisions: Organiser’s decisions can be appealed to the committee.
1.2: Unsafe Vehicles and/or Drivers: At organiser’s sole discretion, any unsafe car or driver may be removed from the event at any time.
1.3: Any car sustaining panel damage during a meeting will be excluded from the meeting.
1.4: Winners and Prizes: None
1.5: Right of Publicity: You and your car may be photographed, recorded, or otherwise reproduced and re-used (including but not limited to television, internet, magazines, radio).
2: ELIGIBILITY
Competitors must assume that unless a modification is specifically permitted then it is prohibited.
2.0: Vehicle Eligibility: Entry limited to mass-produced (more than 1000 identical units), four-wheeled vehicles legal for NZ road use at the time of their manufacture. The vehicle’s original, manufacturer-stated curb weight must not exceed 1500kg and engine size must be less than 2,000cc. Cars are to be raced in their original showroom specification. No modifications or additions are allowed except parts listed in section 2.0.1.
2.0.1: The following parts are open AS LONG as they retain the same design and functionality (when compared to the standard unit):
- Brake pads
- Braided brake lines in place of rubber lines.
- Suspension Springs. (this cannot be interpreted as valve springs or any other springs)
- Engine Air filter (panel design).
- Strut Braces, one per axle allowed, only if fitted from factory.
- Engine Clutch (this cannot be interpreted as diff clutch packs)
- Steering Wheel (this cannot be interpreted as the turning wheels on the exterior of the car)
Any other replacement parts must be OEM or OEM equivalent and cannot be of a higher performance than factory standard.
NB Committee decisions on vehicle eligibility are final.
2.1: Individual waivers may be granted, but no trucks or 4×4’s. Cars must have a purchase price of less than $2000 and be released pre 1996.
2.2: Vehicle registration is not required; however vehicles that are not registered must have an approved MSNZ roll bar/cage fitted. Vehicles must have a WOF or be to WOF standard. Roll cages and Roll bars are not mandatory but are strongly recommended.
2.3: Tire Eligibility: DOT-approved street tires only; minimum tread depth 1.5mm; minimum treadwear rating 190, no exceptions. No DOT rated semi slick tires allowed.
2.4: Schedule A : All cars must conform to the current New Zealand Motorsport Manual Appendix Two Schedule A standards
2.5: Driver Eligibility: All drivers must have a valid NZ national race licence.
2.6: Drivers Under 18: Drivers under 18 years of age must complete a Motorsport New Zealand underage competitor indemnity form.
2.7: No passengers allowed.
2.8: At the end of the meeting, the organiser may elect to purchase any vehicle from its owner(s) for $2500 In other words, don’t spend a lot on a cheater. This rule is only applicable to proven cheaters. We will most likely just cancel your entry and tell you to try a different series.
2.9: Engines must be Naturally Aspirated.
2.10: Any vehicle with a power output of more than 100.5hp per litre will be entered into the engine capacity class above its size.
2.11: Should any one particular vehicle prove to have exceptional performance then the organisers reserve the right to introduce performance moderating measures to that vehicle, including but limited to time penalties or ballast.\
2.12: Cars must be dent free with all trim in place (excepting vehicles with approved roll bar/cages) and no primer paint coats visible.
2.13: Cars doing more than one round require a log book.
3. Race Format:
3.1: Races at each meeting will comprise of 10 minute qualifying followed by either:
- a one hour race
- 2 X 33 minute races
3.2: 2 X 33min Race Format – When a two race format is used, the first race is to be gridded off qualifying times. The second race is to be a reverse by finishing position of race 1. The start procedure is a flag drop every 10 seconds with groups of 10 going at each flag drop.
3.3: One hour race – The one hour format is gridded off current championship points and then reversed so the competitor with the least points is on the front of the grid. The start procedure is a handicap flag start with the handicap calculated off series points (1 second = 1 point). Cars released on circuit will be released every 10 seconds (handicap rounded down to nearest 10) with pitlane starters being released with their true handicap.
4. Championship Classes:
The following classes will contested and small prizes awarded:
0 to 1000cc
1001cc to 1500cc
1501cc to 1600cc
1601cc to 2000cc
4.1: The Championship is against the team, not the driver or the car. Each team can only have 1 entry per race.
4.2: Drivers and cars can be changed between rounds. Drivers and cars can be changed during and/or between races with the appropriate permissions from officials.
4.3: Points are allocated at the conclusion of each Race to all Finishers, they are allocated using the following method:
1st=Total laps, 2nd=Total laps minus 1, 3rd=Total laps minus 2, 4th=Total laps minus 3 and so on. All Finishers get at least 1 point.
4.4: A drop round will be introduced if more than 5 rounds are scheduled in any given season.
5. Fuel:
Pump fuel only, 91 – 98 Octane or Diesel where applicable.
6: LOUSY DRIVING
6.1: Individual Lousy-Driving Rule: Driving standards will be enforced as per the current Motorsport Manual Appendix 4 Schedule Z.
Reckless driving may (will) result in an early shower.
Rubbing is not racing there is no skill in pushing someone out of the way.
7: Judgements for 2013-2014 Season
This section exists in order to provide a central area for exceptions and to provide a context as to why the exception has been allowed.
7.1 – Gen I MR2 (pre 92) allowed to use Gen II (Post ~92) and Gen III (Post ~94) wheels – This has been allowed as the Gen I and Gen II are almost identical apart from the fact the Gen I has smaller tires/rim and smaller rear brakes. Research has shown that during the transitional period from Gen I to Gen II some cars were a mixed bag so there is no concrete way of confirming what the car should run as they all run under the same chassis generation. This has also been allowed for sake of parity between the Gen I and II cars.
7.2 – SuperStrut and non superstrut Toyota’s can run the same wheels and tires as long as super strut was an factory option – This does not mean other superstrut options can be used with a non superstrut car such as larger brakes.
7.3 – Gen I and II MR2 Oil problems, Gen I and II MR2’s are allowed to run the Gen III motor OR run a sump baffle for the remainder of the 2013-2014 season with one condition, they must have already competed in a series round.
Change LOG
-15/06/2013
2.3: Tire Eligibility: DOT-approved street tires only; minimum tread depth 1.5mm; minimum treadwear rating 190, no exceptions. No DOT rated semi slick tires allowed.
-05/09/2013
2.13: Cars doing more than one round require a log book.
4.3: – Reworded to make more sense and points allocation method updated.
4.4: A drop round will be introduced if more than 5 rounds are scheduled in any given season.
-25/04/2014
3.2 – Added
3.3 – Added
Section 7 added
230 Comments
Keith Elliott · 04/04/2013 at 10:59 pm
Great idea! Is there a targeted minimum time for the classes? There must be a lot of old buggers out there with old race cars who would like to join in. Keith – 1982 Alfasud
Stewie · 05/04/2013 at 2:34 am
Can I make the comment that “no turbo” rule would be better as “normally aspirated”
and “No rotary engines”. Great idea good luck with this series. BRING IT SOUTH.
John Jellie · 05/04/2013 at 2:37 am
Fantastic Idea,
What are rules around teams?
Can you have more that one driver per car?
john
Jarrod Biddulph · 05/04/2013 at 9:02 am
Hey there Im curious about a few things. Firstly will there be certain things like a racing spec seat and window net that are necessary? Secondly I understand that all cars need to be ‘standard’ but does that also include a full and complete interior? And thirdly in regards to ‘no dents or panel damage’. Is this an attempt to keep the class clean? Obviously people purchasing 2000 dollar vehicles are never going to be dent free or mint but does this mean we are required to panel beat them and make them straight and re painted before we are eligible to compete? And if there is a bit of (inevitable) rubbing and paint swapping we will not be allowed to compete in that weekends second race or any races after untill car is painted again?
Dan · 05/04/2013 at 9:47 am
33mins on road tyres could be interesting.
admin · 05/04/2013 at 8:40 pm
Firstly will there be certain things like a racing spec seat and window net that are necessary?
Since all cars will be standard, they do not need a roll cage, race seat or window net (we do recommend it though).
Secondly I understand that all cars need to be ‘standard’ but does that also include a full and complete interior?
All cars not running a cage will require a full interior(the odd bit of small trim missing will be fine), If the car does have a cage it is not always practical to have a full interior due to bars being in the place of seats etc.
Thirdly in regards to ‘no dents or panel damage’. Is this an attempt to keep the class clean?
Yes
Does this mean we are required to panel beat them and make them straight and re painted before we are eligible to compete?
The car does not need to be 100% straight but to an acceptable standard, we understand a lot of cars will have a few minor dents (the size of your finger or smaller) but anything more than that would be considered unacceptable and need to attended to in some way.
If there is a bit of (inevitable) rubbing and paint swapping we will not be allowed to compete in that weekends second race or any races after until car is painted again?
It is not the paint swapping that will see you excluded, it is more the manner in which the paint swapping occurred which will see you excluded.
Noel Martin-Smith · 05/04/2013 at 9:23 pm
I have not got as enthused over a new class for years!!!!
A brilliant concept. All the best for the success of this class.
Paul - E36 · 05/04/2013 at 10:21 pm
re 2.2 – ….. ” be to WOF standard ” – can one assume that all vehicles will be subject to the normal procedure by qualified MNZ approved / nominated Scrutineer whose word will be final. I am thinking of the varied perceptions of “WOF standard”
The other area that I did not see was the requirement of being a member of an MNZ affiliated Club, which will be necessay for the M (Clubsport) Licence ??
Great concept, would have loved to see a higher value and 1600cc to 2800cc (with track time penalty) with the veiw of support to Classic Trials as a progression.
Regards
Paul F Manley
Mike · 06/04/2013 at 1:37 am
Where do I sign up please?
admin · 06/04/2013 at 1:39 am
Hi Paul,
re 2.2 – ….. ” be to WOF standard ” – can one assume that all vehicles will be subject to the normal procedure by qualified MNZ approved / nominated Scrutineer whose word will be final.
Yes
The other area that I did not see was the requirement of being a member of an MNZ affiliated Club, which will be necessay for the M (Clubsport) Licence ??
Yes, by having a competition license you must be a member of a club, there is no need to include that in the series rules.
Great concept, would have loved to see a higher value and 1600cc to 2800cc (with track time penalty) with the veiw of support to Classic Trials as a progression.
Thanks for the feedback.
admin · 06/04/2013 at 1:49 am
No sign ups at the moment as the first meeting is not until September, but feel free to like our facebook page and check it for updates – https://www.facebook.com/2kcup
Mike · 06/04/2013 at 6:42 am
When do you think you will open up sign-ups? I can imagine this’ll be pretty popular and wouldn’t want to miss out.
Also any chance of a 24hour team race in the style of http://www.24hoursoflemons.com ? That’d be freaking wicked.
Alex · 07/04/2013 at 2:35 am
24 hour race would be epic
Bruce · 07/04/2013 at 5:10 am
I really hope that you have contacted TV3 about covering this for crc motorsport.
This class could be real winner for both drivers and spectators and is a brilliant idea!
B
Brent Main · 07/04/2013 at 8:01 am
Great concept! Any thoughts around having a control tyre option to help keep costs down? Just to clarify are 4wd Subaru eligible? Thanks
Hugh · 07/04/2013 at 9:23 pm
This is an awesome idea!
But can you please edit the rules page to reflect some of the changes you have been making? For example:
– Rule 2.1 requires that all cars e pre-1996, but you have elsewhere changed this to pre-1999.
– Rule 2.0 states that no modifications from factory specification are allowed, but elsewhere you have stated that some suspension and brake mods are permitted.
admin · 07/04/2013 at 9:41 pm
– Rule 2.1 requires that all cars e pre-1996, but you have elsewhere changed this to pre-1999.
All cars in the series must have been released pre-1996, with run on’s allowed up until 1999. I will make sure this is clarified in the rules.
– Rule 2.0 states that no modifications from factory specification are allowed, but elsewhere you have stated that some suspension and brake mods are permitted.
That is a fair point, I will review the rules to clarify any concerns tonight.
Thanks for the feedback.
Keith Elliott · 08/04/2013 at 4:34 am
If you add a cage,race seat and harness to a $2000 car it will be a $5000 car,is this taken into consideration,when the valuations are done.I’m thinking about old race cars ,eg Trofeo Series TI class cars.
Hayden · 08/04/2013 at 5:33 am
Hi guys, what will be the rules re livery and sponsorship signage on vehicles? Thank you
Keegan Swaysland · 08/04/2013 at 6:52 am
Hello
keen on get in to this as some that has not done Motorsport is there anyone i can talk to about some more of the rules and whats required?
keegan
Russell · 08/04/2013 at 7:32 am
Can the organisers clarify the rules around showroom stock vehicles with substituted gearboxes? For example P10 Primeras eat their gearboxes, and a long lasting replacement is a P12 six speed; a tired Toyota AE82 box could be replaced/upgraded to a later box.
Another reason for asking is because we can buy a dirt cheap auto E36 BMW, and convert it to manual, but shouldn’t the rules state the gearbox must have been available for that chassis or model? (i.e. no M3 boxes behind a 320i or 318i) Just a thought.
admin · 08/04/2013 at 8:55 am
If you add a cage,race seat and harness to a $2000 car it will be a $5000 car,is this taken into consideration,when the valuations are done.I’m thinking about old race cars ,eg Trofeo Series TI class cars.
To be brutally honest, we don’t really want to see existing race cars move to this series. But to answer your question, we do not recognize any value in safety gear when looking a valuation of a car.
admin · 08/04/2013 at 8:56 am
None at this stage, you can do what you wish but I am sure if a sponsor comes on board we will request you make space for their decal.
admin · 08/04/2013 at 9:01 am
keen on get in to this as some that has not done Motorsport is there anyone i can talk to about some more of the rules and whats required?
I have sent you an email 🙂
admin · 08/04/2013 at 9:14 am
Can the organisers clarify the rules around showroom stock vehicles with substituted gearboxes? For example P10 Primeras eat their gearboxes, and a long lasting replacement is a P12 six speed; a tired Toyota AE82 box could be replaced/upgraded to a later box.
I understand where you are coming from but at this stage you will need to run the standard gearbox.
Another reason for asking is because we can buy a dirt cheap auto E36 BMW, and convert it to manual, but shouldn’t the rules state the gearbox must have been available for that chassis or model? (i.e. no M3 boxes behind a 320i or 318i) Just a thought.
I thought this would be covered under rule 2.0 – “Cars are to be raced to their original showroom specification”, do you think that covers gearbox’s when you read it? (not wanting to come across sarcastic, genuine question)
Also, there is no real advantage running a M3 ZF box apart from the fact that the 5 speed ZF has a higher torque rating than the Getrag (which is also a strong box) when mated to a m50b20. Unless you are referring to a 6 speed, in which case you will never get into 6th gear with a standard diff ratio and M50 (add the fact the 6speed is a really weak box).
Russell · 08/04/2013 at 9:55 am
Thanks Admin, rule 2.0 is crystal clear – run it in the same spec as it was made.
Same engine, box, diff. Perfect!
Alex · 08/04/2013 at 8:47 pm
Hey. Can I get a yay or nay on aftermarket steering wheels and modified or aftermarket seats? (I’m a tall guy trying to squeeze into a small car!).
Also most of these cars are going to have quite high mileage – are urethane suspension bushes allowed?
scissors · 09/04/2013 at 2:47 am
what would the rules be regarding the following scenario:
You buy a car which is eligible, and is in good condition with low KM’s and a fast engine etc, which is clearly worth more than $2k, but it has a stuffed gearbox, which means you buy it for $2k
say, for example’s sake, something like a honda s2000 (but old enough to be eligible)
you then replace the gearbox with a good one that has been sitting in your garage
would this not give you an unfair advantage?
admin · 09/04/2013 at 2:57 am
I would suggest you have a look at this rule:
2.8: At the end of the meeting, the organiser may elect to purchase any vehicle from its owner(s) for $2500 In other words, don’t spend a lot on a cheater. This rule is only applicable to proven Cheaters. We will most likely just cancel your entry and tell you never to come back.
People who build up cars to be worth more than $2k will find this rule is exercised on them. I will emphasize that safety gear is not counted towards the value.
Matt · 09/04/2013 at 5:03 am
* Curious to know whether the allowance of nolathane type bushes would be permitted if they are specific to chosen model/vehicle or will only standard rubber replacements be legal.
* Also with regards to brake upgrades would it be accepted to have a standard disc slotted if this could be offered to anyone in the series at a reasonable cost?
I can offer this at $40 per disc but the service would only be offered on new discs. This is pretty common practice and is a far cheaper option than rotors that have been slotted at the factory.
*One last thing with regards to the air filter will it be acceptable to just replace the standard intake tube and filter box with an aftermarket intake pipe and pod filter? I believe that in some cases this could be a cheaper option than replacing the standard filter with something a little better.
Regards, Matt.
WestSpeed Motorsport
Stuart · 09/04/2013 at 10:55 pm
Sorry but I don’t think the gearbox thing is all that clear. So you are trying to say auto to manual conversions are not allowed or only that if doing it then it must be the usual manual that goes with that model? Is it acceptable to swap a normal E36 320i manual gearbox onto an auto model for instance? I would hope it is because it is very hard to find manuals of some models these days and it would be nice to still be able to use them. Also it is very tricky to know if a car was a factory manual or converted sometimes.
admin · 09/04/2013 at 11:02 pm
Sorry but I don’t think the gearbox thing is all that clear. So you are trying to say auto to manual conversions are not allowed or only that if doing it then it must be the usual manual that goes with that model? Is it acceptable to swap a normal E36 320i manual gearbox onto an auto model for instance? I would hope it is because it is very hard to find manuals of some models these days and it would be nice to still be able to use them. Also it is very tricky to know if a car was a factory manual or converted sometimes.
“if doing it then it must be the usual manual that goes with that model? Is it acceptable to swap a normal E36 320i manual gearbox onto an auto model for instance?”
That’s your answer and yes.
admin · 09/04/2013 at 11:12 pm
* Curious to know whether the allowance of nolathane type bushes would be permitted if they are specific to chosen model/vehicle or will only standard rubber replacements be legal.
Although not stated in the rules, nolathane bushes should be fine for the odd replacement part. What we don’t want to see is people replacing every bush on the car with nolathane as this goes against what the series is about.
* Also with regards to brake upgrades would it be accepted to have a standard disc slotted if this could be offered to anyone in the series at a reasonable cost?
I can offer this at $40 per disc but the service would only be offered on new discs. This is pretty common practice and is a far cheaper option than rotors that have been slotted at the factory.
I doubt any of the car’s purchased for under $2k came with slotted rotors factory. Rotors need to be standard.
*One last thing with regards to the air filter will it be acceptable to just replace the standard intake tube and filter box with an aftermarket intake pipe and pod filter? I believe that in some cases this could be a cheaper option than replacing the standard filter with something a little better.
No, the idea of this series is to keep it stock. Everything you allow is just another item that new series competitors need to replace in order to feel they are on a fair playing field.
admin · 09/04/2013 at 11:17 pm
Great concept! Any thoughts around having a control tyre option to help keep costs down? Just to clarify are 4wd Subaru eligible? Thanks
No control tyres, subaru 4WD ok, same with AWD
Q · 11/04/2013 at 2:16 am
This probably sounds like a stupid question, why the unusual class capacities, why not the usual 0-1300, 1301-1600 and 1601-2000?
Graeme · 13/04/2013 at 9:37 pm
So if I fit a cage do I still need a WOF/REG and authority card or does the the car just need to be WOF standard? It’s just I’d rather be protected by some steel tube as a tiny piece of paper stuck to the windscreen won’t save you from a wall!!
Jason Hoogendyk · 16/04/2013 at 8:38 pm
So just a couple of clarifications.
will this be trackday rules in regards to safety gear, i.e. Helmet and full cotton overalls and solid shoes required and gloves recommended.
Also i am planning on entering with a road legal car. Seeing as i have a few spares lying around can i drive to the track road legal, then swap out the seat for a race seat and 5 point harness all bolting to factory points?
would it then matter if harness is expired?
Having had a decent crash on the road with a three point and a big shunt on the track with a 5 point i am very aware of the difference between the two.
Finally i probably wont do it but if people were inclined are unhomologated 4 point bolt in cages allowed?
admin · 16/04/2013 at 9:01 pm
will this be trackday rules in regards to safety gear, i.e. Helmet and full cotton overalls and solid shoes required and gloves recommended.
Also i am planning on entering with a road legal car. Seeing as i have a few spares lying around can i drive to the track road legal, then swap out the seat for a race seat and 5 point harness all bolting to factory points?
would it then matter if harness is expired?
Having had a decent crash on the road with a three point and a big shunt on the track with a 5 point i am very aware of the difference between the two.
Finally i probably wont do it but if people were inclined are unhomologated 4 point bolt in cages allowed?
This series will be running under MSNZ rules, everything must meet the standards set out in the MSNZ Motorsport Manual, cages must be homologated, belts must not be expired etc.
admin · 16/04/2013 at 9:03 pm
So if I fit a cage do I still need a WOF/REG and authority card or does the the car just need to be WOF standard? It’s just I’d rather be protected by some steel tube as a tiny piece of paper stuck to the windscreen won’t save you from a wall!!
If you don’t have a WOF/REG it must have a homologated cage with MSNZ log book.
admin · 16/04/2013 at 9:04 pm
This probably sounds like a stupid question, why the unusual class capacities, why not the usual 0-1300, 1301-1600 and 1601-2000?
Classes are not finalized, they will probably be changed about depending on the types of entry’s that come forward.
Javed · 18/04/2013 at 12:35 am
Would the rules allow two people sharing one car? We are looking to enter with a two driver team.
admin · 18/04/2013 at 12:54 am
Would the rules allow two people sharing one car? We are looking to enter with a two driver team.
Yes, the Championship is going to be done off the team on the not the driver.
Rolly · 28/04/2013 at 9:26 pm
If running without a cage i.e full interior required, are we running with carpets? Just looking at a safety/fire point of view.
Also do the racers get the chance to buy the organisers cars for $2500? 😉
admin · 28/04/2013 at 9:42 pm
If running without a cage i.e full interior required, are we running with carpets? Just looking at a safety/fire point of view.
Carpets will be required. Fire extinguisher’s will be mandatory as per MSNZ rules.
Also do the racers get the chance to buy the organisers cars for $2500?
That rule is only there to stop people sinking heaps of cash into their car, none of the organizers will be doing this as we are all cheap bastards.
Keith Elliott · 01/05/2013 at 2:52 am
Can you advise who the testers are for those who need a race licence or to upgrade a clubsport licence.
I’m not clear on the tyre specs,road tyres or are the likes of Yoko Advans etc acceptable?
With thoughts to a 1hr race, maybe a compulsory stop of 30 secs near halfway would allow teams to change
drivers,father and son,brothers,partner?
Sam Byrne · 01/05/2013 at 10:15 am
Sounds like a blast! Will spray can “liveries” pass muster?
admin · 01/05/2013 at 10:10 pm
Sounds like a blast! Will spray can “liveries” pass muster?
It really depends how good you are with a spray can, as long as it looks good we wont have a problem.
Lucas Davidson · 01/05/2013 at 10:37 pm
I see that some of the confirmed entries have aftermarket rims. I thought that the cars had to be standard? 17″ rims on a car that came out with 14s or 15s is a massive performance improvement. It will give the car dramatically less roll and probably a much wider tyre.
Are bigger and wider rims and tyres allowed under the rules?
Cheers
admin · 01/05/2013 at 11:10 pm
I see that some of the confirmed entries have aftermarket rims. I thought that the cars had to be standard? 17″ rims on a car that came out with 14s or 15s is a massive performance improvement. It will give the car dramatically less roll and probably a much wider tyre.
Are bigger and wider rims and tyres allowed under the rules?
The MR2 will be removing the 17’s before it competes.
The e30 has aftermarket rims but they are the same size as the factory rims.
As per the rules, all cars must run OEM (or similar) rims and tyre sizes.
BWC Customs · 03/05/2013 at 8:17 pm
The BMW will be running on standard wheels, that was just a picture of it when we bought it
Mike Simmonds · 03/05/2013 at 10:08 pm
I thought all cars running under the nzms rules in competition, have to have homologated roll cages regardless of engine size or spec. Am I wrong?
cheers Simmo
andy · 04/05/2013 at 6:32 am
I have an E36 318i/M in my drive. Im thinking i will use it for this series. but it has a big bore muffler on the back in place of the factory one, car is otherwise 100% standard. can you confirm if this will be okay? Also, it will need new tyres in its next WOF so i want to confirm there is no control tyre I will need to buy? and i cant use my Yokohama semi-slick but road legal tyres.
admin · 05/05/2013 at 7:33 am
I thought all cars running under the nzms rules in competition, have to have homologated roll cages regardless of engine size or spec. Am I wrong?
Only a series that is sanctioned requires a cage, 2KCUP is not a MSNZ sanctioned series so therefore a cage is not required (if the car is standard.)
admin · 05/05/2013 at 7:35 am
You will need to get rid of that big bore.
Semi slicks will not comply with the rules.
Craig · 06/05/2013 at 10:16 pm
Hey i’m seriously looking into entering a car that i currently own but after reading the link to schedule A that you posted up i am unsure exactly what i have to do to the car as i am not going to be running a roll cage. What is the minimum requirements that needs to be done to the car if i am fitting a race seat and harness. Do you have to relocate the battery to the boot?
Peter · 07/05/2013 at 11:28 pm
Is the $2k budget restricted to the entire package? or just the purchase price of the car? say a gd set of street tyres will be around $600~800, so will I need to account for that in the $2k budget? or replacement parts say, car came with two blown shocks and I need to get some OE replacement ones etc.
admin · 07/05/2013 at 11:35 pm
Is the $2k budget restricted to the entire package?
No, The $2k budget is only for the original purchase of the car. We will not allow people to enter if they have bought a wreck with a blown engine for $2k and fixed it up to be a car worth $6k.
Josh · 08/05/2013 at 9:35 pm
This looks very exciting, i understand Normally Aspiration is the aim, but would Turbo Diesels be allowed?
Also a 24hr race would be EPIC.
admin · 10/05/2013 at 4:20 am
This looks very exciting, i understand Normally Aspiration is the aim, but would Turbo Diesels be allowed?
What kind of cars would you be thinking of?
Also a 24hr race would be EPIC.
Very EPIC.
Stewart · 12/05/2013 at 10:42 am
Hi, my 89 Citroen BX is on your list but it cost me $3,500 but this included the already fitted MANZ approved roll cage, and race seat – would it still qualify? Normal price range is $1,500 to $2,000.
And it has a LSD otherwise the car is standard…..
admin · 13/05/2013 at 9:33 am
I want to say yes, but as per the rules it needs to be worth $2k or less. You could try to get a valuation done to show its worth less than $2k, we would accept that.
The LSD would need to be removed if it was not a factory option.
Brett · 14/05/2013 at 2:26 am
Hi,
With regards to the whole VTEC part, do the same rules for the VTEC’s apply to the 20V 4AGE’s?
Thanks
admin · 14/05/2013 at 2:42 am
With regards to the whole VTEC part, do the same rules for the VTEC’s apply to the 20V 4AGE’s?
There is no VTEC part in the rules, this is the only rule that will force some VTEC’s to run a class up.
2.10:Any vehicle with a power output of more than 100.5hp per litre will be entered into the engine capacity class above its size.
Brett · 14/05/2013 at 3:54 am
My apologies, that is what I meant by “a class up”. All good. Just looking at an AE111 at the moment to see where it slots in at what class.
Thanks
David · 14/05/2013 at 9:55 am
Hi great idea sounds like it will be lots of fun.
Few questions:
1. Do you have to attend all the meetings and both days at each?
2. Is there a time limit on the purchase price? Brought the car for $1500 but about 10 years ago?
3. Regarding tyres: looking at running a 1988 999cc starlet which has 165/14 tyres but Toyo do not make a R888 for that size. Is it permitted to go up to the next size which is 185/14 or would i need to find another tyre at 165 wide?
thanks !
admin · 14/05/2013 at 10:18 am
1. Do you have to attend all the meetings and both days at each? y
No, you do not need to attend all meetings, but as there are only 4 rounds we have not planned for any drop rounds in terms of the championship.
2. Is there a time limit on the purchase price? Brought the car for $1500 but about 10 years ago?
No, but would you be happy to sell it to the series for $2.5k?, if not, its probably not worth under $2k anymore (excluding safety equipment).
3. Regarding tyres: looking at running a 1988 999cc starlet which has 165/14 tyres but Toyo do not make a R888 for that size. Is it permitted to go up to the next size which is 185/14 or would i need to find another tyre at 165 wide? thanks !
Semi slicks are not permitted but if you can’t find a toyo in the right size you will either have to go for something similar (different profile) or use a different brand.
Alex · 15/05/2013 at 10:43 am
Hi Im very keen getting a car and start racing. I see your not alowwed mivec cars so does that rule out all vtec vvt etc cars? is a fire extinguiser all you require if its a wof reg car?
Thanks
admin · 15/05/2013 at 11:15 pm
I see your not alowwed mivec cars so does that rule out all vtec vvt etc cars?
Only the MIVEC v6 is banned, the Mivec 4 pots are ok, same with VTEC etc. Assume its ok unless its stated otherwise (type R vtec’s, v6 mivec)
is a fire extinguiser all you require if its a wof reg car?
Yes
Rolly · 16/05/2013 at 7:24 pm
2.0.1: The following parts are open AS LONG as they retain the same design and functionality (when compared to the standard unit):
■Suspension Springs. (this cannot be interpreted as valve springs or any other springs)
Does this inlude sway bars? A sway bar is just an unwound coil spring and is part of the suspension.
i.e if fitted factory can one install a larger, non-adjustable one in its place?
admin · 16/05/2013 at 9:33 pm
Does this inlude sway bars? A sway bar is just an unwound coil spring and is part of the suspension.
i.e if fitted factory can one install a larger, non-adjustable one in its place?
No, it does not include sway bars.
Lee · 22/05/2013 at 11:19 am
2.11: … including but limited to time penalties or ballast.
Think you left a NOT out of that one.
2.3: Tire Eligibility: DOT-approved street tires only, minimum tread wear rating 100; minimum tread depth 1.5mm; no exceptions. No DOT rated semi slick tyres allowed.
Who defines what a DOT rated semi slick is? Toyo R1R is a UHP tyre, not a competition tyre according to toyo.com and toyo.co.uk, and meets the treadwear rating, but toyo.co.nz lists it in the racing section.
admin · 22/05/2013 at 9:39 pm
Hi Lee,
2.11: … including but limited to time penalties or ballast.
We have limited it to time penalties or ballast as if they should require anything else they are to fast for the series.
Who defines what a DOT rated semi slick is? Toyo R1R is a UHP tyre, not a competition tyre according to toyo.com and toyo.co.uk, and meets the treadwear rating, but toyo.co.nz lists it in the racing section.
I can see how this is a bit of a loose rule, I have removed the 100 treadwear rating as this can vary greatly between manufactures. It has been replaced it with:
“any tire marketed as a being track or motorsport orientated requires committee approval.”
We are not allowing the R1R as it comes in very limited sizing, something that would see many not being able to use it. Also add the fact it is basically a semi slick tyre with a road compound.
Michael Duke · 23/05/2013 at 12:15 pm
What about Hankook R-S3?
admin · 23/05/2013 at 9:13 pm
No, In the same boat as the R1R.
Josh · 23/05/2013 at 9:58 pm
the turbo diesel i had in mind was a 1.9 ltr peugeot 306 tdi
Arthur Vowles · 27/05/2013 at 8:34 am
Hi, I am a A certified scrutineer and will probably be involved with the scrutineering of 2K Cup cars. A suggestion, perhaps if all car entrants/owners obtained a log Book from MSNZ at a cost of $30 it would make life easier for both racers and scrutineers. A log book keeps the history of the car. Also you would not have to have the car scrutineered at every race meeting, as if everything is honky dory with the car you would only have ir scrutineered every third meeting. Would not have the stress of wondering if the car is going to pass and also you would not have to be at the event so early in the morning. From my point of view would be easier for all so maybe a rule change. If any racer wants a pre race audit to see where there car fits contact me, I will do it for nothing providing it has a log book – live in the West Auckland area.
David · 27/05/2013 at 9:05 pm
Hi will you be running another licence night in June or July like the one advertised for 29th May? regards David
Graeme · 28/05/2013 at 11:04 am
will there be any chicanes added to keep the speeds down or the circuits be used as they are? Thank you.
James · 28/05/2013 at 12:12 pm
Hi team. I currently have a 97 Nissan Pulsar N15 (Autech version). They say that there were under 600 of these produced. Its basically a Pulsar with a body kit. the SR20 in it, they say once produced 129kw.
Would u allow this?
admin · 28/05/2013 at 11:20 pm
will there be any chicanes added to keep the speeds down or the circuits be used as they are?
Circuits will be left as is.
Johnny · 29/05/2013 at 10:42 pm
Is it okay if the vehicle is lowered? Or has adjustable suspension?
admin · 30/05/2013 at 8:04 pm
You can use lowering springs, but it cannot be adjustable.
admin · 30/05/2013 at 8:05 pm
Autech pulsars will not be accepted.
admin · 30/05/2013 at 8:05 pm
No chicanes will be added.
admin · 30/05/2013 at 8:06 pm
Most probably but nothing is confirmed at this stage.
Johnny · 01/06/2013 at 11:38 am
How do i go about getting my race lisence ect to be able to join in on this?
Stuart · 03/06/2013 at 2:15 am
A suggestion here to help the variety of cars, what about a rule where if a car puts out under a certain amount of hp per litre then it will be eligible for the cc class below it? There are quite a few cars on the list and available out there that would be great to run in this but put out a lot less power than the usual suspects (3SGE, 4AGE, B18C etc). For instance an E36 320i would have 110kw and is therefore around the same power level as most of the 1600s that are entering. It would be a bit heavier than them too but probably competitive, whereas against the 2L cars it wouldn’t have much of a chance. Just a thought so we could get some really different cars in the series (the entries list is starting to look like an MR2 cup!)
Graeme · 03/06/2013 at 5:57 am
If your car has a rollcage does any of its interior trim have to stay? Can the boot trin be removed on an uncaged car or does it have to be showroom stock?
admin · 03/06/2013 at 7:42 am
Due to the added weight and impracticality of a roll cage we will relax the standard interior rule but we don’t want to see fully striped out race cars.
If you do not have a cage, it has to be stock, the only thing’s you should be thinking of removing are the factory tool kit, jack and spare wheel.
admin · 03/06/2013 at 7:46 am
I had a similar idea but it was based around power to weight. We will see what kind of lap times people do at the Brass Monkey meeting and take it from there.
shane · 03/06/2013 at 10:16 pm
If my cars shocks are warn out am i able to cut them open and run an insert from another car or a performance insert to increase valving rates or do i have to run a replacement shock without inhanced rates?
Paul E36 · 05/06/2013 at 9:43 pm
With the 1st event scheduled July 2013, and good luck for that, I am still amazed at the very amateur manner the so called Rules are presented, leaving numerous issues to be handled on the day.
To run heats on the basis of – a) One hour and or b) 2 x 33 minute
… with a total vehicle cost of 2K in standard vahicle form & knowing what is known from past series lap restrictions for safety ie. Arrow, Tradezone, E30 Series, and the increasing interest in registrations of these classes,
what is so special about a 2K class taking up track time where others are restricted to 5, 8, 10 laps.
Surely this 2K Class would be better restricted to a maximum of 5 laps only as the Classic Trials are.
admin · 05/06/2013 at 10:19 pm
Hi Paul,
>what is so special about a 2K class taking up track time where others are restricted to 5, 8, 10 laps.
Great question as everything should be fair, For 2KCUP there will be 1 hour of race time for any given weekend.
In an ideal world an 8 lap race takes about 12min, That gives 36min of race time. BUT as there is an additional race,
-There is another 5-10 min of cars coming on and off the track. (+10min)
-Your chance of holding everything up due to recoveries has also increased by 50% by having 3 races over 2. (+10min)
-Your races will also increase in length due to any yellow flags or safety cars. (+5min)
In the real world when you compare all the problems 2KCUP won’t face or has a lesser chance of facing, I feel its about the same.
>… with a total vehicle cost of 2K in standard vahicle form & knowing what is known from past series lap restrictions for safety ie. Arrow, Tradezone, E30 Series, and the increasing interest in registrations of these classes.
I can’t see what you are getting at with this point, you have mentioned full blown race cars that are running on semi slicks with people that will do anything to win ($$$). 2KCUP is a road class with a relaxed and slow pace, if anyone needs to do less laps due to safety they should not be in 2KCUP, maybe they should drive to what the car can maintain.
Paul E36 · 05/06/2013 at 11:05 pm
Please be assured I am not knocking this series, many find it hard to understand how this series can be classed as a “race series” where a full cage and other normal safety issues are not mandatory.
We have obviously misunderstood the concept where the perception was something more along the lines of the “trials” or dual sprint format of staggered start and not “racing” against one another.
Tires n Brakes –
I know that specific branded normal every day road tires, at the correct pressure and appropriate speeds (max 165kph), will do a conservative 12 laps at Hampton, 18 at Taupo, 23 at Pukekohe. A 2 lap slow down bought the tires & brakes back up to 100%.
Same with brakes using Dot4 fluid & after market replacement pads.
looking forward to it
shane · 06/06/2013 at 7:09 am
no reply to my question about re-inserting shocks with better inserts from another vehicle or a performance insert i.e. bilstein koni etc etc?
admin · 06/06/2013 at 7:12 am
Sorry, missed it.
Shocks need to be of the same construction but insets like bilstien should be fine. Just don’t go installing anything to expensive or adjustable as that is not what the series is about.
Paul T · 10/06/2013 at 7:44 am
From a safety point of veiw will batteries be required to be relocated to the boot in a suitable battery box and will the cars require a battery cut off switch.
The suggestion regarding the $30 Motorsport log book seems like a good idea.
Very much looking forward to this getting started
harley · 10/06/2013 at 11:21 am
what grade of motorsport licence do you need, is the ‘m’ clubsport enough?
admin · 10/06/2013 at 9:45 pm
C grade is required
Bradley · 12/06/2013 at 1:43 am
Just wondering what the deal is with regards to bodykits etc. lots of cheap hondas and the like on trademe with stupid bodykits on them nice and cheap. wondering if these could be left on the car rather than having to source factory bumpers again etc.
Also with regards to engines, if for example you picked up a 1300cc honda civic. are you able to remove the 1300cc engine and replace it with a 1600cc engine. (bear in mind the same civics came from factory with a 1500cc and 1600cc engine options, just a different model)
This isnt a cost avoidance thing more due to the fact there doesnt seem to be any available on trademe with the engine im after but plenty of 1500s etc.
Will still be under the $2000 incl new motor.
Just want to clarify this before doing any more searching.
Bradley · 12/06/2013 at 1:45 am
Also with regards to rollcages etc and the weight issue. why dont you implement a rule where the car must be within say 20kg of factory weight off the shop floor. regardless of rollcage or not. therefore if you cage the car you can remove items from the vehicle till the weight is approx the same as without having a rollcage.
As i see it at the moment from a performance perspective it will be more beneficial to not have a cage. adding this rule may encourage people to increase safety by adding a cage with no weight penalties.
admin · 12/06/2013 at 9:04 am
Just wondering what the deal is with regards to bodykits etc. lots of cheap hondas and the like on trademe with stupid bodykits on them nice and cheap. wondering if these could be left on the car rather than having to source factory bumpers again etc.
As long as you can prove the bodykit is not going to advantage you, it will be fine. If it allows for extra cooling of radiator and brakes. Added downforce or a reduction of weight, we will not allow you to run it.
Also with regards to engines, if for example you picked up a 1300cc honda civic. are you able to remove the 1300cc engine and replace it with a 1600cc engine. (bear in mind the same civics came from factory with a 1500cc and 1600cc engine options, just a different model)
It would be fine as long as the chassis came with it in the same year, but also read my answer to your next statement.
This isnt a cost avoidance thing more due to the fact there doesnt seem to be any available on trademe with the engine im after but plenty of 1500s etc.
If you make a car that isn’t already entered in the series, we will force you to get a valuation after the new motor is added and make you basically jump through hoops, we don’t want to see people changing their cars engine before competing.
admin · 12/06/2013 at 9:06 am
Also with regards to rollcages etc and the weight issue. why dont you implement a rule where the car must be within say 20kg of factory weight off the shop floor. regardless of rollcage or not. therefore if you cage the car you can remove items from the vehicle till the weight is approx the same as without having a rollcage.
As i see it at the moment from a performance perspective it will be more beneficial to not have a cage. adding this rule may encourage people to increase safety by adding a cage with no weight penalties.
Good idea, I was wanting to try get some scales for the Brass Monkey meeting and see how the weights compare to the factory weight. That would help formulate the rules regarding weight.
Quentin · 12/06/2013 at 8:01 pm
I was just reading your answer on weight tied to roll cages, I would suggest that a full roll cage in a car up to twenty years old would actually give a performance advantage other than in a straight line. I would think the increase in structural integrity of the vehicle would far out weigh the weight disadvantage on track, any other thoughts?
admin · 12/06/2013 at 9:09 pm
That is also a fair point, basically it will be left as is at the moment. Then once we get some real world data, we can implement new rules to even the performance.
Harley · 12/06/2013 at 10:46 pm
Race Suits
Do we need to purchase race suits or are cotton overalls sufficient?
T&C Motorsport · 12/06/2013 at 11:43 pm
Bear in mind for anyone who’s considering an engine swap, to keep the car in WOF condition, it’ll need a LVV cert for the bigger engine, which immediately adds $400 to your budget. In keeping with the rules, I guess if you can’t find a 1600cc civic for <2000 then it's just not eligible for the series.
Someone could pick up an old, crappy MkII Escort and then stick a 220bhp 1800BDA engine in it because that model was available with that engine, but there's no hope in hell you'll find a BDA Escort for $2k, in much the same way that it'll be hard to find a 1600 B-series powered Civic for $2k. Spirit of the rules and all that.
Craig · 14/06/2013 at 3:36 am
Hey I would like you to clarify the wheel rules please. There is all these comments about mr2’s all being able to run 15″ wheels as the three generations chassis’ were identical. I dont think this should be the case. We should have to run the factory size wheel that our particular model vehicle came out on. Otherwise it will open up a big grey area within the rules for teams to abuse. For instance if a solid rule was not put in place in regards to this i could argue the point that an evo4 came out factory on 17″ wheels and has the same chassis as my MX which came out factory on 14″ rims and this is the case with a lot of the vehicles entered. There are a lot of options for different rim sizes as you go through different sub-models and generations for most of the vehicles entered.
warren hull · 14/06/2013 at 6:42 am
just Looking at the concept, 100% a great idea and easily workable, thinking about the intake and exhaust, my thoughts are to have the intake free up to the throttle body thus inducing induction noise, at very little cost, exhaust free after the exhaust manifold but within the WOF requirements of 95db, again at very little cost, this would give the cars a certain amount of race car sound but give no advantage to the ones that are not road WOF or Reg. with standard intake and exhaust the cars will be whisper quiet and loose some spectator and competitor appeal, the cost of both of these changes is very low at around 1/4 to 1/2 the cost of a set of tyres, the power of the engine only slightly improved as the exhaust manifold remains original, the throtle body remains original, the cat gets removed as quite a few of cars of this age they are either blocked or fallen apart internally.
admin · 14/06/2013 at 8:22 am
Bear in mind for anyone who’s considering an engine swap, to keep the car in WOF condition, it’ll need a LVV cert for the bigger engine, which immediately adds $400 to your budget. In keeping with the rules, I guess if you can’t find a 1600cc civic for <2000 then it's just not eligible for the series.
I have had a few conversations with multiple certifiers over the years and there judgement is, if the chassis came with it, it doesn’t need a cert. 100% agree with the last statement.
Someone could pick up an old, crappy MkII Escort and then stick a 220bhp 1800BDA engine in it because that model was available with that engine, but there’s no hope in hell you’ll find a BDA Escort for $2k, in much the same way that it’ll be hard to find a 1600 B-series powered Civic for $2k. Spirit of the rules and all that.
Yup, everyone’s entry is on a case by case basis.
admin · 14/06/2013 at 8:34 am
Hey I would like you to clarify the wheel rules please. There is all these comments about mr2′s all being able to run 15″ wheels as the three generations chassis’ were identical. I dont think this should be the case. We should have to run the factory size wheel that our particular model vehicle came out on. Otherwise it will open up a big grey area within the rules for teams to abuse. For instance if a solid rule was not put in place in regards to this i could argue the point that an evo4 came out factory on 17″ wheels and has the same chassis as my MX which came out factory on 14″ rims and this is the case with a lot of the vehicles entered. There are a lot of options for different rim sizes as you go through different sub-models and generations for most of the vehicles entered.
Car exceptions are on a case by case basis and lines will be blurred for certain cars where logic should prevail. For the MR2 you have the case where all 3 versions have entered the series already. Both the Gen 1 and 2 are almost identical except for the wheels and other minor changes. Since they share the same width rims, It seems only logical that the Gen 1’s can move to 15’s in place of 14’s.
I would have a different view on it if only 1 generation were entered in the series, only 1 generation could be had for under 2k, the rims were wider, the cars were dramatically different and the list goes on.
admin · 14/06/2013 at 8:36 am
Good idea, this may be relaxed once the series is underway but we want to keep it 100% stock at this stage, obviously we wont hit that, but were aiming to get close.
admin · 14/06/2013 at 8:37 am
You need to have two layers of fire protection, either 1 on the suit and 1 nomex underwear layer, or 2 layers on the suit. Contact Vortex Racewear and they will be able to sort you out with the right gear.
Wayne · 14/06/2013 at 9:42 am
Both the Gen 1 and 2 are almost identical except for the wheels and other minor changes. Since they share the same width rims, It seems only logical that the Gen 1′s can move to 15′s in place of 14′s.
Although they have the same width rim by moving to a larger wheel, that alone is a massive advantage over the stock size.
Tyres also move from being a production type to a more performance type tyre. Moving from a 185/60-14 to a 205/50-15 is huge.
I thought the whole idea was if your car came with that you run it, not if the model above your car has it you can change.
Like the above said his mitz has 14″ but same chassis in a different sub-model has 17″, does that mean he can change ?
I bet the answer is no.
Stock is stock not upgrade bits the matter.
admin · 14/06/2013 at 9:12 pm
Like the above said his mitz has 14″ but same chassis in a different sub-model has 17″
What lancer with the same chassis AND engine AND gearbox AND brakes AND interior AND exterior comes with 17″ wheels over the base model?
I bet the answer is no.
Correct
I thought the whole idea was if your car came with that you run it, not if the model above your car has it you can change.
A lot of the Gen I’s come with 15’s that previous owners have fitted and a set of 15″s can be had for $100-200 so cost doesn’t really come into it. If they were $800 a set I would agree with you.
I can see what your getting at, but where I am coming from is…. if the cars are the same and its just the year that separates them PLUS both cars are running in the same class. There is no harm in letting them both run to the same spec as it will increase parity among the same models. It’s different if you try run parts from cars that are not entered or eligible.
Paul E36 · 14/06/2013 at 10:40 pm
re Wheels / Tyres
Numerous Vehicle Manufacturers offered wheel & tyre options from new on models sold in the NZ domestic market, normally the rolling radius is the same ie. between say the 15″ & 16″ option however a lower drag coefficient & rolling resistance of the 16″ provides an advantage over the 15″.
An original customer often would choose additionally an after market wheel / tyre package – entirely different to the original, and as would be the difference to steel wheels as against mags.
Over gearing will be a disadvantage on Hampton & Taupo.
Kieran · 15/06/2013 at 2:45 am
Hi, just thinking about safety here… will there be any requirements to lockwire parts such as sump plugs? What about banning glycol-based products in the cooling system?
Also, given the length of the races, have you considered options to allow cooling enhancements? E.g. replacing the radiator with a twin-core unit that must utilise the OEM fan, shroud, mounting points and hoses? Or fitting of an oil/water heat exchanger from an equivalent model (e.g. fitting one from an SR20DET in a Pulsar GTiR to a Primera or Pulsar GTI), or even fitting an external oil cooler, provided that it is not visible from the outside with the bonnet closed?
admin · 15/06/2013 at 8:53 pm
will there be any requirements to lockwire parts such as sump plugs? What about banning glycol-based products in the cooling system?
No
Also, given the length of the races, have you considered options to allow cooling enhancements?
It has been considered but is not needed, we have run trials in a few different cars and have found no problems with cooling.
Craig · 15/06/2013 at 9:01 pm
A lot of the Gen I’s come with 15′s that previous owners have fitted and a set of 15″s can be had for $100-200 so cost doesn’t really come into it. If they were $800 a set I would agree with you.
I can see what your getting at, but where I am coming from is…. if the cars are the same and its just the year that separates them PLUS both cars are running in the same class. There is no harm in letting them both run to the same spec as it will increase parity among the same models. It’s different if you try run parts from cars that are not entered or eligible.
So with that said,…I would like to forward the concept that as my Primera will run in the same class as the MR2’s, I should be able to run the 15’s off a generation 2 Primera? as both cars are eligble and it would give all 2 litre’s parity? I would actually put forward a rule that would work for 2 litres, 15 inch maximum rim diameter and 205 maximum tyre width,…that would probably work for everyone?
admin · 15/06/2013 at 9:11 pm
So with that said,…I would like to forward the concept that as my Primera will run in the same class as the MR2′s, I should be able to run the 15′s off a generation 2 Primera? as both cars are eligble and it would give all 2 litre’s parity? I would actually put forward a rule that would work for 2 litres, 15 inch maximum rim diameter and 205 maximum tyre width,…that would probably work for everyone?
When you say generation 2 primera, do you mean P10 and P11 Primera? I am only talking about the SW20 MR2 and generations within it, not mixing parts between AW11, SW20 and W30 MR2’s.
Craig · 15/06/2013 at 9:33 pm
Point taken,…yes I was talking about p10-p11 as gen 1-gen 2,..I’m just looking for parity within the 2 litre class,….how about a maximum rim/tyre width rule? Makes it even for everyone?
Brendan · 16/06/2013 at 12:05 am
Will the races on the day be separated into say classes under 1500cc/classes over 1500cc (2 classes per race) to separate the difference in vehicle power/speed? Regards
James Mcgrath · 16/06/2013 at 7:05 am
Hello will there be races in the south island?
admin · 16/06/2013 at 9:02 pm
Quite possibly, a car club down there has shown interest in running a SI version of the 2KCUP.
admin · 16/06/2013 at 9:03 pm
They will only be split if the grid becomes oversubscribed.
T · 17/06/2013 at 4:41 am
Do the rules allow competitors to go up or down a profile size as long as the tyre width remains the same? IE: The car comes with 205/55/15 tyres, are we allowed to use 205/50/15 tyres? Some tyres can vary alot in price between profiles.
Does the current 190 treadwear rating rule look to be 100% set? I’ve just seen a couple of changes to this rule.
Thanks.
paul · 17/06/2013 at 5:58 am
well I for one will be really annoyed if you change the tyre rule as i have already bought 195s as stipulated
GregM · 17/06/2013 at 6:23 am
Will helmets be required?
admin · 17/06/2013 at 7:35 am
Will helmets be required?
Yes, MSNZ requires it.
admin · 17/06/2013 at 7:38 am
well I for one will be really annoyed if you change the tyre rule as i have already bought 195s as stipulated
The only part of the rule that changed was the wear rating, If you have managed to find tyres with a wear rating of under 190 that were not marketed as being designed for motorsport or track use, please advise.
admin · 17/06/2013 at 7:44 am
Do the rules allow competitors to go up or down a profile size as long as the tyre width remains the same? IE: The car comes with 205/55/15 tyres, are we allowed to use 205/50/15 tyres? Some tyres can vary alot in price between profiles.
If you can prove that it is not practical to run the standard size, sure. Having said that, between Toyo and the other major brands there should be no size that can’t be had for a decent price.
Does the current 190 treadwear rating rule look to be 100% set? I’ve just seen a couple of changes to this rule.
It should not be seen as a rule change, just a clarification of the rules. We have no intention of changing it further.
Rolly · 17/06/2013 at 8:14 pm
Guys, please remember that an event has not even run yet, we are all part of this fantastic new series and you need to be flexible as the rules get clarified along the way.
I was going to use tyres off another car of mine to save cost, but they have a lower than 190 wear rating so since discovering that (after already gaining approval to run them), I have had to organise (buy) something else instead.
I have rolled with the rule clarification as I understand why the rule is there and how it will make the series better and easier to manage. It will cost me more, but at the same time I don’t need to use the type of tyres that I am going for, I could just run the supercats that are on it (and probably still will to keep costs down) – it is a personal choice.
Interpretation of rules is half the fun I guess and finding ‘loop holes’ to gain an advantage is a part of that. But heck we are racing sub $2000 cars, not V8ST.
Might I also add that if you need clarification, ask the exact thing you want to do and why, so that the admin can give you a direct answer without generalisation. i.e. “I am thinking about running car x that has 185/60/14’s can I run with a 15×6.5 wheel and 195/50/15 tyres?”
And you will more than likely get a direct answer.
This is not directed at anyone or specifically about tyre size, that was just an easy example as it is something that I have had to deal with. So please don’t take this as an attack, I just want to get you all to think of the bigger picture. I think the administrators are doing a great job putting all this together and no doubt getting bombarded with questions.
At the end of the day we have to get these buckets around the track for 30 minutes at a time. And winning this thing is not exactly going to get us big money/hot chicks/drive contract. It is about learning to race to the best of you and your cars abilities.
So from me a big thanks to everyone that has contributed so far and the organisers for setting it all up and giving me a chance to go racing at a level that I can afford(almost) 🙂
Bring on round 0!
paul · 18/06/2013 at 4:05 am
there must be some hot chicks surely
Lee · 24/06/2013 at 12:38 pm
So with the wheels upgrade on gen 1 sw20 to gen2 spec being allowed, does that also apply to the brakes and suspension parts that were changed? Or do I need to hold on till I find a decent gen2?
Gordy · 27/06/2013 at 12:54 am
Can we use the Toyo R888 tyres?
admin · 28/06/2013 at 1:36 am
No, they are semi slicks.
Dave Rooney · 01/07/2013 at 12:51 am
You need to have two layers of fire protection, either 1 on the suit and 1 nomex underwear layer, or 2 layers on the suit. Contact Vortex Racewear and they will be able to sort you out with the right gear.
Hi
original question asked if cotton overalls were ok, ie with cotton long johns for example. My question is, does one or both layers need to be Nomex? Or 2 cotton layers ok? Are lace up shoes acceptable or boots covering ankles required?
Cheers
Craig Hatley · 01/07/2013 at 2:12 am
Is there any other night to sit the licence?
Craig Hatley · 01/07/2013 at 2:12 am
other than the 02/07?
mark · 04/07/2013 at 8:55 am
is my motocross helmet suitable and cotton overalls?
T&C Motorsport · 05/07/2013 at 4:15 am
Mark,
Probably not, and no. Protective equipment will have to conform to schedule A of the NZ Motorsport manual. This is 2 layers of fireproof and helmets must meet one of the applicable standards listed therein.
Jordan · 05/07/2013 at 8:38 am
Hi I have a 1996 Honda that I would like to enter I see it says pre 1996. Would you let a 1996 slide?
admin · 07/07/2013 at 9:23 am
I have a 1996 Honda that I would like to enter I see it says pre 1996. Would you let a 1996 slide?
As per the rules:
Cars must have a purchase price of less than $2000 and be released pre 1996
If the car was not released pre 1996 we cannot let it race, production run on’s up until 1999 are allowed.
Matt · 07/07/2013 at 10:36 pm
Are slotted or drilled rotors allowed?
T&C Motorsports · 07/07/2013 at 11:27 pm
Matt, as has been stated earlier on this page, rotors must be standard, no slotting or cross drilling is allowed. Slotted or drilled rotors are only allowed on cars that had them as standard.
Matt · 08/07/2013 at 3:56 am
Cheers, sorry page is getting pretty long! To the admins, are we allowed additional ducting to the brakes?
admin · 08/07/2013 at 4:09 am
No
paul · 09/07/2013 at 6:28 am
46 cars so far , 38 allowed on track , what is the plan please?
GregM · 10/07/2013 at 6:52 am
So just confirming, we need to enter the Brass Monkey event if we want to be on the July 21 2kcup round? (Non champ)
Jamie · 10/07/2013 at 8:48 pm
Hi Guys, are you able to change cars through out the series?
Two Guys One Cup · 11/07/2013 at 8:40 pm
Im just wondering about racing numbers? Are we assigned one for the series? I notice some guys have them already.
admin · 12/07/2013 at 10:16 am
The track limit is higher than that but if the grid is oversubscribed it will be split into two grids.
admin · 12/07/2013 at 10:17 am
yes
admin · 12/07/2013 at 10:17 am
yes
admin · 12/07/2013 at 10:17 am
email me what you want.
Two Guys One Cup · 17/07/2013 at 9:39 am
Hey,
I’m just wondering about log books, will we need to have them?
If so where can we get them, I’m entered in the brass monkey but don’t have one.
Cheers
David · 17/07/2013 at 9:54 am
Hi I just got my log book-downloaded the form from Motorsport.org [Google motor sport log book] I printed the form and sent it off, the log book came back in a few days David
T&C Motorsport · 17/07/2013 at 10:52 pm
Are log books needed for WOF’d cars or only the caged ones?
admin · 18/07/2013 at 1:37 pm
Not needed, but I suggest you get one, saves having to get checked every time you race.
Rhys Nolan · 21/07/2013 at 6:17 am
I have an MX5 series NA which had a blown 1800cc motor. I bought it for $600 and have the option of a 1600 stock standard motor for $500, would this car be eligible, or do I need to find an 1800?
admin · 21/07/2013 at 11:20 pm
Feel free to use the 1600 if you cant find an 1800
Hayden · 22/07/2013 at 9:18 pm
This requires further attention and discussion: https://www.facebook.com/2kcup/posts/662575683770105?comment_id=7250391¬if_t=like
Rhys Nolan · 24/07/2013 at 3:01 am
Hayden, and others, I followed the link as shown. There is a mountain of stuff to wade through, however having done so I am a little confused as to why you posted this cryptic comment.
Do you mean that you don’t think it would be legal? (My Mazda that is).
Discussing this with one of the entrants last night, I can foresee the whole idea going off the rails. What is to stop a car showing up which has been through the trade in process, then being sold by a dealer at wholesale price to his mates, or indeed setting up a “low margin” dealership just for the series?
admin · 24/07/2013 at 3:08 am
Hi Rhys,
What is to stop a car showing up which has been through the trade in process, then being sold by a dealer at wholesale price to his mates, or indeed setting up a “low margin” dealership just for the series?
I am there to stop that, every entry has to be accepted by 2KCUP before they get out on the track.
See https://www.facebook.com/2kcup/posts/663549043672769 for more information about our Karting/licensing/meeting night.
Regards,
James
Quin · 04/08/2013 at 7:37 pm
Hi all, yeah I know this is the wrong forum for this post, but I do not belong to that facebook, twitter crap so this is it, I have tried to get hold of the 2kcup organizer but have had no response, I have booked track 1 at Taupo for the 22nd of August, yes it’s a Thursday, book some leave, any one competing in 2kcup is welcome to join me for $50 per car (unlimited drivers) for the entire day, respond to Quentin.quintal@laminex.co.nz. Make it quick as I will take limited numbers, Cheers Quin.
Craig · 26/08/2013 at 8:19 am
Can we use FEDERAL 595, 195/55/15 tire wear rating of 260. Are these allowed?
admin · 26/08/2013 at 9:27 am
Can we use FEDERAL 595, 195/55/15 tire wear rating of 260. Are these allowed?
Yes
Craig · 27/08/2013 at 9:37 am
If the car came out of the factory with a Rear Sway bar and a Front Strut Brace as stock, is this allowed?
Simon · 27/08/2013 at 8:32 pm
If the car came out of the factory with a Rear Sway bar and a Front Strut Brace as stock, is this allowed?
Yes – as long as it was factory then totally. i.e the Lantis type R’s come with front and rear strut braces and F&R sway bars. Not dealer add on but factory fitted.
Bret G · 02/09/2013 at 6:42 pm
Engine Air filter (panel design)
Hi Can someone explain this, is this like a Air intake air pod ?
Do I need to run the OE airbox, or is one of those aftermarket pods ok ? (as thats whats in the car now.
Cheers
Bret G
admin · 04/09/2013 at 7:09 am
Do I need to run the OE airbox, or is one of those aftermarket pods ok ?
We are allowing pods but only on application. You would need to provide a picture of the install and we deem that it is of no advantage (breaths hot air).
You will be better off getting the original air box.
Mike · 05/09/2013 at 4:58 am
As for race numbers, are we supposed to arrange these ourselves or just turn up on the day and sort it then?
Alex · 09/09/2013 at 10:52 pm
Hi. Toyo T1R are out of stock of 195/55 15. New stock probably won’t be here in time for the first race. Would 195/50 15 be acceptable as they are in stock?
admin · 09/09/2013 at 10:56 pm
Hi. Toyo T1R are out of stock of 195/55 15. New stock probably won’t be here in time for the first race. Would 195/50 15 be acceptable as they are in stock?
You need to run the factory size.
Scooter · 12/09/2013 at 10:18 am
Now I don’t think I’ve seen anything regarding exhausts yet. As we pretty much all know, most $2000 cars on trade me have had their exhaust ripped out at some point and replaced with something bigger bore. My FXGT for instance; Its exhaust is noisy (I know about noise restrictions) and is far from factory. Does this mean we have to re make an exhaust to suit factory specifications? Just thinking more from a cost perspective as a cat-back exhaust can cost around $500 upwards depending on who you go to.
Also (bit of a long shot) if a car does retain its factory exhaust, is it possible to replace factory mufflers with high flow or aftermarket items (Coby hotdogs, turbo flow, Chase mufflers and so on), or can we only replace them with the equivalent spec items once they shit themselves?
admin · 12/09/2013 at 10:09 pm
Now I don’t think I’ve seen anything regarding exhausts yet. As we pretty much all know, most $2000 cars on trade me have had their exhaust ripped out at some point and replaced with something bigger bore. My FXGT for instance; Its exhaust is noisy (I know about noise restrictions) and is far from factory. Does this mean we have to re make an exhaust to suit factory specifications? Just thinking more from a cost perspective as a cat-back exhaust can cost around $500 upwards depending on who you go to.
Also (bit of a long shot) if a car does retain its factory exhaust, is it possible to replace factory mufflers with high flow or aftermarket items (Coby hotdogs, turbo flow, Chase mufflers and so on), or can we only replace them with the equivalent spec items once they shit themselves?
The rear box needs to be standard or similar to standard, its not going to cost you $500 to put it back to factory, wreckers will have one for $50-100.
AlexT · 13/09/2013 at 12:33 am
Levin’s run a stock 195/55 15 tyre. Would a 185/55 15 be within the rules given the issue of 195 Toyo TR1’s being out of stock?
admin · 13/09/2013 at 1:18 am
Levin’s run a stock 195/55 15 tyre. Would a 185/55 15 be within the rules given the issue of 195 Toyo TR1′s being out of stock?
I would allow that if you applied for it as an exception.
warren hull · 14/09/2013 at 7:10 am
a Honda CR-X SiR has a factory option of a LSD. Is This allowed?
Dave Rooney · 16/09/2013 at 7:03 am
Just to confirm James, you would be ok for Ae101 Fxgt McPherson strut to run a 195/55/14 (I have 14 in rims) as 195/55/15 is stock on a super strut version which is also eligible.
admin · 16/09/2013 at 7:11 am
a Honda CR-X SiR has a factory option of a LSD. Is This allowed?
There is no reason why not, but the problem you could face is making a car that is far quicker than all the others, this would see either heavy penalties or exclusion.
admin · 16/09/2013 at 7:15 am
Just to confirm James, you would be ok for Ae101 Fxgt McPherson strut to run a 195/55/14 (I have 14 in rims) as 195/55/15 is stock on a super strut version which is also eligible.
Yes, but these types of exceptions are on a case by case basis. Basically I make sure that the real world performance of both cars is the same, they are both the same chassis, they are both eligible for the series and that is was purely on option that meant you could have or the other when buying it new.
warren hull · 17/09/2013 at 1:28 am
The car I have got has the LSD fitted factory according to previous owner. So where that leave me?
warren hull · 17/09/2013 at 1:36 am
The Factory Tyre Spec Plate states this car came with 195/60 x 14. Toyo do not have a tyre in this size. Where do i stand with this?
admin · 17/09/2013 at 1:57 am
The car I have got has the LSD fitted factory according to previous owner. So where that leave me?
With a car that’s eligible for the series.
admin · 17/09/2013 at 2:02 am
The Factory Tyre Spec Plate states this car came with 195/60 x 14. Toyo do not have a tyre in this size. Where do i stand with this?
You will need to find a tire manufacturer that sells the correct size.
David · 17/09/2013 at 8:22 am
check out the Toyo Teo Plus range seems like the 195/60/14 is shown there
Phil · 17/09/2013 at 9:00 am
The Suzuki swift come out on a 175/60/14 an not find any for love or money . Can we run a 185 ?
admin · 17/09/2013 at 9:40 am
The Suzuki swift come out on a 175/60/14 an not find any for love or money . Can we run a 185 ?
http://www.toyo.co.nz/tyre_detail.php?T_name=Toyo%20TEO%20Plus
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-parts-accessories/wheels-tyres/tyres/auction-637467091.htm
http://www.adenstyreshop.co.nz/product_info.php?products_id=6512&osCsid=1mtpj9n4lrbnt2hkbiujlkou27
http://www.adenstyreshop.co.nz/product_info.php?products_id=6494&osCsid=1mtpj9n4lrbnt2hkbiujlkou27
Bret G · 19/09/2013 at 8:58 pm
Hi Guys, I want to argue (respectfully of course) about the 121Kw levins being put into the 2.0lt class.
The way I see it the 1587cc Levin has a OEM power output of 121kw, the leading kw car in the 2.0lt class has 132kw, thats a difference of 11 kw, meanwhile in the 1600cc class the leading kw cars (outside the levins I refer to) is 118kw, thats only a difference of 3kw.
I selected for my campaign (as the MR2 boys did) a competitive car that was going to be the best Kw output in its class, with the levins being put into the next class this does make me uncompetitive against a MR2, Curren etc with 132 kw which incidentally have 40+ kw over some of its competitors (Laser / Corona)
Why should a MR2 / Curren etc enjoy such a power advantage in their class, why not push them out of the 2.0lt class and make an open class for them (on the same logic as the levins are out of the 1600 class)
As I understand it there is no restrictions in the rule book on kw output of a 1587 levin so as to put it into the next class, the engine is not making 100 hp per 1000 cc, so it should be put into the 1600 class.
Can you give this some thought and offer an opinion.
Cheers
Bret
admin · 20/09/2013 at 12:25 am
Hi Guys, I want to argue (respectfully of course) about the 121Kw levins being put into the 2.0lt class.
The way I see it the 1587cc Levin has a OEM power output of 121kw, the leading kw car in the 2.0lt class has 132kw, thats a difference of 11 kw, meanwhile in the 1600cc class the leading kw cars (outside the levins I refer to) is 118kw, thats only a difference of 3kw.
I selected for my campaign (as the MR2 boys did) a competitive car that was going to be the best Kw output in its class, with the levins being put into the next class this does make me uncompetitive against a MR2, Curren etc with 132 kw which incidentally have 40+ kw over some of its competitors (Laser / Corona)
Why should a MR2 / Curren etc enjoy such a power advantage in their class, why not push them out of the 2.0lt class and make an open class for them (on the same logic as the levins are out of the 1600 class)
As I understand it there is no restrictions in the rule book on kw output of a 1587 levin so as to put it into the next class, the engine is not making 100 hp per 1000 cc, so it should be put into the 1600 class.
Can you give this some thought and offer an opinion.
Cheers
Bret
Hi Bret,
Very valid points, the plan is to review the classes after round 2 once we have real world data of how fast everyone is. I don’t plan on anything major, just minor tweaks throughout the season that will improve the series as a whole.
We introduced the 100.5hp/l limit to stop a few odd ball, very borderline and hard to come by $2k cars from dominating the 1.6L class, this meant drawing the line at 100.5hp/l – this only affected 1 car at the time (a black top) and meant the other 15 (at the time) or so cars had a chance at winning the 1.6L class.
In the past 3 months this series has gone from a single grid to two grid’s to now what is looking like 3 grids by the end of the season, hopefully we can get the rules so that all 3 grids are highly competitive but I think making any class changes before round 2 would be premature.
Regards,
James
david · 20/09/2013 at 6:14 am
Clause 2.10 is clear is it not ? So why the question ?
JJ · 21/09/2013 at 9:47 am
Would having to NO panel filter in factory air box be ok?
warren hull · 21/09/2013 at 10:43 am
Hi, The point I am getting at is that there are no UHP tyres in 14″ of any brand available in NZ. There is a fair range available in 15″ and above. This is quite a disadvantage, not a level playing field!
admin · 21/09/2013 at 6:52 pm
Hi, The point I am getting at is that there are no UHP tyres in 14″ of any brand available in NZ. There is a fair range available in 15″ and above. This is quite a disadvantage, not a level playing field!
This series is never going to be a level playing field due to there being 51 different models of car entered. I don’t mean to sound rude, but you should have considered the stock tire size before you bought the car as the rules have been this way since the start. The Honda CRX SiR that you have will also be incredibly quick even with the worst tires around.
admin · 21/09/2013 at 6:54 pm
Would having to NO panel filter in factory air box be ok?
No, please run a filter.
Tyson · 23/09/2013 at 6:07 am
Warren – your car will be super quick even with average tyres!
My Civic Vtec is over 150kg heavier then your CRX Vtec and i’ve been posting quick times with $70 tyres. With your cars short wheel base and light weight you’ll be super quick – even with the cheapest tyres you can find that are slightly skinnier.
See you on the track!
Ash · 24/09/2013 at 8:59 pm
Do MX5’s qualify if they have a hard top or roll bars?
admin · 25/09/2013 at 1:55 am
Do MX5′s qualify if they have a hard top or roll bars?
All MX5’s require roll over protection to be installed as they are a open top car.
Laurie · 06/10/2013 at 3:48 am
Hi there,I purchased a 1990 BMW E30 320i automatic off TeadeMe for $750.00. Does this car qualify for the 2k cup racing and if so,can I convert it to manual?
Cheers,
Laurie.
admin · 06/10/2013 at 4:23 am
Hi there,I purchased a 1990 BMW E30 320i automatic off TeadeMe for $750.00. Does this car qualify for the 2k cup racing and if so,can I convert it to manual?
Cheers,
Yes, that will be fine.
Lance · 09/10/2013 at 10:03 am
A MR2 Targa top, does it require a roll cage?
admin · 09/10/2013 at 8:11 pm
A MR2 Targa top, does it require a roll cage?
Yes, a bare minimum would be a roll hoop.
Martin · 09/10/2013 at 11:09 pm
I would like to run a race seat and harness, but will not have a rollcage (as per the pics of the Levin/Trueno on the main page). Am i able to anchor the harness to a rear strut brace?
admin · 09/10/2013 at 11:16 pm
I would like to run a race seat and harness, but will not have a rollcage (as per the pics of the Levin/Trueno on the main page). Am i able to anchor the harness to a rear strut brace?
Check the motorsport manual, there is an online version at http://www.motorsport.org.nz/resources/motorsport-manual
Dan · 18/10/2013 at 11:51 pm
I have a B16a, but blew the engine, is a b16b replacement allowable?
admin · 19/10/2013 at 8:09 am
I have a B16a, but blew the engine, is a b16b replacement allowable?
no, needs to be the engine the car came with.
Bret · 22/10/2013 at 10:32 pm
Hi, Im going to get a roll cage put into the Levin, Im wanting just a 4 pointer, can I ask is this still legal? I didnt see anything referencing a 4 point cage in the manual?
I would like a intrusion bar on the drivers side only (keeping costs down n all) is this legal also?
Lastly as a Cage is going in Is it ok to rip out ALL of the carpets (front as well)hood linings parcel tray back seat etc permanently?
Cheers
jim · 23/10/2013 at 3:48 am
hi there i brought a 1987 toyota corolla gt for $900 a couple of months ago but it went deregistered i thought this might be a good way to have fun with it but it is an auto would i be allowed to convert it to manual?
Quin · 23/10/2013 at 11:51 pm
Just trying to confirm, if I run a roll bar and car has a MNZ log book it doesn’t require WOF or REGO?
Allan Cameron · 24/10/2013 at 4:03 am
I have seen no comment yet about air bags. A number of the eligible cars are fitted with these. Your comments please
Keep up the good work, you have done a great job so far.
Allan
Bret G · 24/10/2013 at 4:50 am
Get my Roll Cage Question ?
admin · 24/10/2013 at 8:44 am
Hi, Im going to get a roll cage put into the Levin, Im wanting just a 4 pointer, can I ask is this still legal? I didnt see anything referencing a 4 point cage in the manual?
I would like a intrusion bar on the drivers side only (keeping costs down n all) is this legal also?
Lastly as a Cage is going in Is it ok to rip out ALL of the carpets (front as well)hood linings parcel tray back seat etc permanently?
Cheers
Contact MSNZ about the legality
admin · 24/10/2013 at 8:45 am
hi there i brought a 1987 toyota corolla gt for $900 a couple of months ago but it went deregistered i thought this might be a good way to have fun with it but it is an auto would i be allowed to convert it to manual?
If its dereg it will need a cage. Feel free to convert to manual.
admin · 24/10/2013 at 8:46 am
Just trying to confirm, if I run a roll bar and car has a MNZ log book it doesn’t require WOF or REGO?
It doesn’t need a WOF or REGO if it has a cage with log book. It still needs to be WOF standard.
admin · 24/10/2013 at 8:47 am
I have seen no comment yet about air bags. A number of the eligible cars are fitted with these. Your comments please
Keep up the good work, you have done a great job so far.
Allan
I would suggest to remove the airbag fuse or relay when at the track, this will work with most older cars.
Bret · 25/10/2013 at 12:42 am
thanks for some of the answer but it seems VERY OBSCURE as to whats ok and whats not in respects to interior trim etc, I want a cage for my safety but I dont want to be “sent home” after scrutineering because of the obscurity of interior trim rules, clearly trim has to come out for the cage…..perhaps to encourage people to put cages in and make it easy for entrants to understand whats acceptable perhaps allow “no interior trim required if the Car is running a Cage” (4 point or 6 point), this should include no passenger seat as it has to come out for the cage install. There is no weight advantage given the weight of the cage going in. can you make a decision on this and make it clear cut and easy to understand.
Thank you
admin · 25/10/2013 at 1:06 am
thanks for some of the answer but it seems VERY OBSCURE as to whats ok and whats not in respects to interior trim etc, I want a cage for my safety but I dont want to be “sent home” after scrutineering because of the obscurity of interior trim rules, clearly trim has to come out for the cage…..perhaps to encourage people to put cages in and make it easy for entrants to understand whats acceptable perhaps allow “no interior trim required if the Car is running a Cage” (4 point or 6 point), this should include no passenger seat as it has to come out for the cage install. There is no weight advantage given the weight of the cage going in. can you make a decision on this and make it clear cut and easy to understand.
There is no simple answer because there are 50+ different types of car in this series, all with different levels of interior trim. We don’t want to see gutted race cars as this is a production road car series. If it can’t go back in because the cage is in the way, don’t put it back in but if you want to strip it to a bare shell, join a different race series.
I am not going to be a nazi on raceday if you’re missing a few pieces of trim due to the car having cage, but I want to avoid this series loosing it’s appeal as a “buy a car and go racing” class. If people have to buy a car, fit a cage, strip the car, add a race seat, then 5 point harness along with a +$1000 set of tires in order to be competitive, I think the original point of the series has been lost.
My key thing to retain even if you have a cage is the gearbox surround and center console, for something that weighs next to nothing, it makes a huge difference in making the car look like it’s straight off the showroom floor (at a glance).
Bret · 25/10/2013 at 2:37 am
To be straight up im not trying to be diffulcult, but frankly 50 different types of cars dont have different trim at all, they have the same stuff, it just looks different,I believe you need to make a call, so its clear and concise.
Say something like, if a cage is fitted the following may be removed.
Rear Seat, Carpets, Hood Linings, Parcel Tray, Window trims,Rear Seat belts…….etc
Items that must remain are (be firm on this)
Door Cards, Gear stick surrounds, Front Dash (as much as possible)
As I say, not wanting to be diffulcult, I just Dont want scutineering issues, given my investment into this 8k-cup car I want to be all good on race day.
(lastly, its the fabricator demanding stuff comes out due to fire risks with welding, I dont want to take anything out as im to busy)
Cheers
😉
admin · 25/10/2013 at 6:45 am
To be straight up im not trying to be diffulcult, but frankly 50 different types of cars dont have different trim at all, they have the same stuff, it just looks different,I believe you need to make a call, so its clear and concise.
Say something like, if a cage is fitted the following may be removed.
Rear Seat, Carpets, Hood Linings, Parcel Tray, Window trims,Rear Seat belts…….etc
Items that must remain are (be firm on this)
Door Cards, Gear stick surrounds, Front Dash (as much as possible)
As I say, not wanting to be diffulcult, I just Dont want scutineering issues, given my investment into this 8k-cup car I want to be all good on race day.
(lastly, its the fabricator demanding stuff comes out due to fire risks with welding, I dont want to take anything out as im to busy)
If you want clarification, anything that the cage does not interfere with must be retained in the car. If you wan’t to go outside of that you will need to email me before hand outlining what else you wish to remove.
In reality I wan’t to do this on a case by case basis to stop people from spending excessive amounts on a car only to end up with something that bears no resemblance to what rolled off the factory 20 years ago.
Luke Van Den Bogaart · 27/10/2013 at 1:31 am
just thought i’d add my two cents into this roll cage debate. I’ve got a roll bar fitted in my mx5 and haven’t lost any interior trim, its not to hard to roll back some carpet to do a weld and then replace it.
T&C Motorsports · 27/10/2013 at 1:47 am
Agreed with Luke, carpets can be cut to fit around rollcages pretty easily if you want to retain a more standard look.
Paul McCarthy · 29/10/2013 at 6:54 am
As above, very easy for a lazy fabricator to say remove all interior to fit cage then not be able to fit the interior back in. A good fabricator can fit a cage in allowing to refit most of the interior. The only thing that can be troublesome is moulded armrests in the door trims for door bars. Lets not loose site of what these cars are supposed to be, not stripped out seam welded purpose built race cars. Next thing people will talking rubbish saying we need bigger brakes for safety
Danny · 12/11/2013 at 3:21 am
Hi, do I need fireproof underwear with the Vortex single layer SFI approved racesuit? thanks.
admin · 15/11/2013 at 8:00 pm
Hi, do I need fireproof underwear with the Vortex single layer SFI approved racesuit? thanks.
If you only have a single layer, you need full fire proof underwear and that counts as your second layer.
James · 27/11/2013 at 10:37 pm
1. Are we allowed any sort of aluminium piping to the factory airbox to aid in airflow?
2. Are we allowed to remove parts to aid performance?
3. Would aftermarket ignition leads be out of the question?
4. Can the battery be moved to the boot in a battery box?
James · 27/11/2013 at 10:39 pm
also can we move the factory airbox further forward in the engine bay? or does it need to remain in factory position?
Kipcha Vargosain · 29/11/2013 at 8:10 am
in regards to the stripped out interior.
I would presume people are doing this for weight?
One idea would be requirement that the finish car weighs within 5% or factory weight (Factory standard weight is quite easy to find)
5% may not sound like much but id actually be tempted to run lower than that as when you take the average weight of around 1200kg thats still 60kg for people to play with.
Not to mention most caged cars dont weigh much more than factory due to all that metal in the cage.
For anyone under that you could just drop bags of sand in there! haha.
Ebrahim Mohamed · 25/01/2021 at 9:36 pm
Hi my son would like to take part in this series but would like to know if ae 111 super strut with coilovers, is allowed.
admin · 07/09/2022 at 8:15 am
yes